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May 28 Queensland academic
Graeme Orr sent this in about The
Cherry Paper.
Got this
link to West Australian poll at Mr
Bludger's site.
Suspect their pollster is the same as the Adelaide
Advertiser's, the only outfit in the world not
to extract 'undecideds' from published voting intentions.
Speaking of who, the Tiser
ran a poll
in Makin! The anti-porn Draper's in trouble! (Still with the two decimal
placed 2pps.)
Lemmings update
The furry critters stay for now (ie I
still tip the big boofhead to go down in an unedifying pile of testosterone),
but I didn't count on the Man of Steel doing so much to keep him afloat. Was
it necessary to degenerate into such self-parody with that gay
marriage thing? Doesn't he know that it's the lack of product
differentiation wot will save him in the end.
And here's
Alan Ramsey from two years ago. Go to the first line on the last par. He's
been pushing this barrow for years.
May 26 Reader Geoff Lambert
sent in this about below John Cherry
paper.
May 25
ACNielsen
gives a whopping 56 to 44.
That's close to Beazley-esque, although Latham is yet to eclipse Howard on
preferred PM, as Beazley often did. Here's the table.
Oh, and the Lemmings stay!
May 24
Update: Here's the Cherry paper
in pdf.
Glenn Milne in The Oz reports
a paper by Democrat number cruncher John Cherry on preferences at the 2001
election. Its moral is that Democrats can more effectively direct preferences
than Greens - so do a deal with them instead! This might be so, but at a glance
there's this "stunning conclusion" that "no seat was won or lost
because of Green preferences."
This would be stunning if it were true, but it ain't. Several seats
certainly would have had different results had Green preferences flowed
differently. Take one example, Dobell in NSW, won by the Libs Ken Ticehurst by
560 votes after full distribution of preferences. In total, 2333 Dobellites
voted Green. According to Cherry's paper, 67.6 percent of these preferences
favoured Labor (while 32.4 went to the winning Liberal.) That means 1577 of
those 2333 flowed to Labor's Michael Lee, while 756 went to Ticehurst. What
would have happened if 80% of Green preferences (instead of 67.6%) had favoured
Lee? Lee would have received about 290 more two candidate preferred votes,
Ticehurst would have got 290 less, and Lee would have won (by about 20 votes).
Of course, if 100% of Green preferences had flowed to Lee, he would have won
more comfortably; if 100% had gone to Ticehurst, his margin would have been
bigger.
In that respect, Green preferences decided Dobell. Something similar would
apply to several other seats. This has been a rush job; will look at it again
tomorrow. (If Cherry and Milne meant to say that Green directing of
preferences made no difference in any seats, that's a different assertion, and
probably true)
On other matters ... we should see an ACNielsen in Fairfax papers this week.
Along with Morgan they're the only pollster to understand the importance of
preferences, but Morgan went mad in late 2001 and is not yet fully
rehabilitated.
May 22 Mr
Ramsey's numbers
The often cranky, sometimes crude but always cuddly Alan Ramsey demonstrates his
psephological prowess in this
sidebar - by giving his darling Mark a seat head start.
Unca Alan reckons Labor has 64 seats to
the government's 82, but he must be using
pre-distribution numbers because it's really 63 to 83.
And, once again showing he couldn't be bothered with the intricacies of
preferential voting, he declares that Labor needs to beat the Coalition on
primary votes.
Late last year Ramsey reiterated his view
that Howard gave Beazley a "hiding" in 2001. But today he uses that
2001 result to show that only six seats stand between Howard and a hung
parliament.
He's got Lathamitis bad.
On another topic ...
former Federal Liberal President John Valder held out the tantalising prospect
on ABC radio this week of Howard losing his seat of Bennelong
at the election while the Coalition retains government.
Knocking off both Howard and Latham (from the opposition leadership) might
be a pretty good result for the country. As I've said before: I don't know what we did to deserve it, but eight and a
half years of Howard is penance enough. To follow it up with a couple of terms
of Latham would be cruel and unusual and possibly against the Geneva
Convention.
Morgan says 52.5
to 47.5
May 18 (ii) Crikey'd
again
Today's crikey newsletter contains these familiar words: "Hillary
Bray's immediate reaction to the latest Newspoll was that the opposition will be
happy leading the vote and trailing on the other stuff. It is just where an
opposition wants to be. Two years ago Crean got a small Newspoll post budget
bounce putting him on 51/49, although last year he got none and languished on
about 47/53".
Anyway ...
May 18 Newspoll
says
54
to 46.
Although the preferred PM and approval ratings have moved Howard's way.
Leading the vote but trailing on the other stuff is just where an opposition
wants to be.
Two years ago Crean got a small Newspoll post budget bounce putting him on 51
49, although last year he got none and languished
on about 47 53.
Many more like this and the Lemmings gallery
might have to go.
If you believe the Morgan
poll taken last Wednesday night, the government got a post-budget
bounce - but it disappeared almost immediately.
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Nicholson in The Australian
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Another thing: The Australian (which publishes Newspoll) made an almighty clunk on the porch
this morning. Was this
David Barnett monstrosity, occupying about half the opinion page, really necessary?
(Sampling: "We have probably never had a better prime minister";
"Famously, he would walk along a corridor with his eyes fixed on
distant visions" ...)
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May 16 Taverner
poll
The Sunday
Age and Sun
Herald are running results from a Taverner poll that puts Labor
ahead on first preference support 44 to 40
(no two party preferred given), plus assorted other paraphernalia: Latham seen
as more family friendly, Labor much more popular with men than with women etc.
Here's
the pdf (in a new window), from Sunday Age.
The survey was only taken in Victoria and New
South Wales, limiting its usefulness, because it ignores voters in sixty three
of the 150 House of Representatives seats.
Queensland especially is choc-full of
marginals, and somewhere the ALP needs to pick up seats. A very rough back of
the napkin guesstimate is that Labor will make ground in NSW and South
Australia, but go backwards everywhere else .
(Digression: As well, Labor under Latham will
probably regain votes in "heartland" areas like western Sydney. US
President Lyndon Johnson once said that economic policy is like peeing your
pants: it feels real hot to you but no-one else notices. Labor winning back
the heartland can be viewed like that, it'd give them a warm feeling, but
produce next to nothing in the way of seats.)
Overlay onto that a national pro-Labor or
pro-Coalition swing.
And respondents were phoned on Wednesday,
Thursday and Friday nights, so at least half hadn't heard anything of Latham's
budget reply.
May 14 Opinion
polls
Morgan surveyed
the scene on Wednesday night and found the government back in front 52
to 48.
Another Adelaide
Advertiser poll, of 500 voters across South Australia, found 50
50. That would be a four percent swing to the ALP in that state, in
uniform terms an extra three seats.
May 12 This
animated Nicholson cartoon, courtesy of The Australian, is funny.
It's a couple of years old; Latham's since been
inserted but Malcolm Turnbull remains the embodiment of Republicanism "at
long orf".
May 11 A
reminder ...
... about Parramatta. That's where Howard's Battlers are supposed to
live. But the table below shows the two party preferred votes at all booths in
the suburb of Parramatta at the 2001 election. Labor majorities all, aggregating
to 57 percent. Doesn't stop Sydney's media
organisations regularly trekking out west to vox pop the salt of the earthies about Their John.
See also the seat of the
same name, containing the suburb, which has been held by the conservatives for
eighty of its 100 years since 1901.
Parramatta booth two party preferred
results 2001
| Booth |
formal votes |
ALP two
party pref% |
Lib two
party pref% |
Parramatta
East
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1140
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50.28
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49.72
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Parramatta High
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645
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51.68
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48.32
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Parramatta North
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1810
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53.52
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46.48
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Parramatta
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2134
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67.27
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32.73
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Macarthur High
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1836
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54.65
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45.35
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Noller Park
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510
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54.33
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45.67
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Pitt Row
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1043
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53.99
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46.01
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Rowland Hassall
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1076
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58.78
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41.22
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May 6 Morgan says
53.5 to 46.5
May 4 Newspoll
According to Newspoll in the
Oz, it's 52 to 48.
Compared with a fortnight ago, Coalition's primary vote down one to 42,
Labor's steady on 42, but Newspoll's preference
strategy obviously more favours Coalition this fortnight.
Last week's ACNielsen also
had the majors on 42 each, but with larger minor party support. ACNielsen reads
out a list of parties and tends to get a low 'other' category. Newspoll doesn't
read out parties, and gets higher 'others'.
May 2 Hurrah for Alex!
'Tiser poll
shows Lord Downer safe in Mayo
against independent Brian Deegan: Downer on 48; Deegan on 18; Labor on 13. It's
a small sample of 400.
For some reason they haven't excluded the 12% 'undecideds'. If you do that
(as every other pollster does) Downer easily gets over 50%, which of course guarantees a win. In fact, it probably
puts him on about 53%, which is what he got in 2001 (63% after preferences).
In 1998 Democrat John Schumann nearly took the seat with a little over 22% to Alex's
47%; the ALP got a touch under 22 percent. After preferences Downer won 51.7 to 48.3.
Moving right along, a reader was phoned by Newspoll yesterday. They recalled
these (approximate) questions:
Voting choice (nominated major party so no
preference question)
Do you agree with the troops staying in Iraq?
Do you think democracy will take root in Iraq?
Do you support PM or Latham on Iraq?
Better PM?
We'll have to wait 'til Tuesday for the
answers.
May 1 More thievery
So taken am I to the Australian Electoral Commission's colour coded electoral
maps that I've swiped them for the pendulum gallery. I assume they'll let me
know if they don't approve. In the meantime, go to pendulum
gallery and click "maps" in top panel. Clicking on any seat will, as always, bring it up in the right hand panel.
A good first exercise is to go to western Sydney and see, contrary to popular
belief, a sea of red.
April 30 The
power of Jones
In the washup to the 1998 election, Liberal powerbroker Michael Kroger
credited his great "pick and stick" mate Alan Jones with the result.
John Laws, he explained, doesn't use his power as overtly as Alan, who probably made the difference between victory and defeat
by delivering those "western
Sydney" seats.
This of course fits in with the "Howard's Battlers" story, that
western Sydney now votes Liberal. Certainly both sides of politics believes in
the Power of Jones; witness new ALP leader Mark Latham's generous brown-nosing
(unlike Kim Beazley, whose best moment in the 2001 campaign was the on-air fight
in which he called Jones a "liar").
There's a problem with the Jones as Kingmaker narrative, and it's in the
actual electorates. After the 1998 poll, the ALP was eight seats short of
victory, but there were just three seats in Sydney's west (Lindsay,
Macarthur and Parramatta)
that they didn't hold (they did hold about 13). Including all of Greater Sydney (which is
presumably Jones's potential audience) than you can add another two possible ALP
wins - Hughes and Robertson.
(Stretching Labor's chances much further would have involved the Bob Ellis
fantasy of Bennelong.)
(For the Greater Sydney seat situation
today, take Dobell from
Labor and give it to the Coalition; otherwise it's the same.)
Howard's Battlers are over-rated,
as is the power of Shock Jocks.
April 28
Latest
ACNielsen puts it at 53 to 47
two party preferred, from primary support of 42 percent each. Here's
the table, courtesy of The Age.
April 27
Further to 1996 prognostications, touched on a couple of weeks ago, Geoff
Lambert has sent in two pieces he had published in the Fin Review way
back then - one before the election, in which he correctly suggests Howard might
win by 44 seats, and one after, explaining his reasoning. Here
April 24 Multiculturalism
in the marginal seats
You'd have heard of Marky Mark's unerring ability to imitate the incumbent
John Howard, and have noticed that this is what passes for political genius in
contemporary Australia. A fine example is Multiculturalism, where once again,
Latham is speaking the language of the street, and this is the only way to win
back those "battlers".
I've added a table to the pendulum gallery - electorates by proportion of
population born in non-English speaking countries. Go to pendulum
gallery (in new window) and click on link at bottom right.
It shows that if the folks in marginal electorates are concerned about
migrants, they're doing the worrying on others' behalf, because they themselves
tend not to live near many. Closest to the top (at 13) is the usually Liberal
seat of Parramatta. The next winnable government held electorate is Moreton,
ranked 45.
And those ALP favourites Macarthur, Hughes and Lindsay are way down the
list, ranked 60, 64 and 77 respectively.
As I never tire of pointing out, the Liberal voting outer suburbanites are
some of the wealthiest people in the land - plus the most politically
pampered. In fact, they're Howard's battlers!
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Gary,
son of Roy, claims
it to be 54.5
to 45.5.
However, more people believe the government will win. The perfect
combination for Labor.
April 23 South
Australia
A chappy called Phil Robins ran for Labor in the SA seat of Sturt
in 1987. Here he streams his consciousness on today's Labor-friendly electoral
situation in that state.
April 21 More
on Sol's preference strategy
The last email Mr Lebovic of Newspoll sent me, a couple of months go, ended
with the words "no further correspondence". I had, naturally, been
enquiring about preferences. As we know, Newspoll now elicits second preferences
and extrapolates them. But how, exactly?
There's something funny going on for Labor to get three quarters of the
preference flow, as they did in yesterday's poll (see below). Newspoll might,
for example, be using similar methodology to Saulwick,
in which case their two party preferred is of no use whatsoever. But while Sol
keeps his cards close, we'll never know.
April 20 (ii) Crikey, that's flattering.
Hmm. Item number 5 in today's (April 20) crikey email - reproduced, in part,
below - contains some oddly familiar information. (See my post immediately
below that.)
"Labor
seems to be picking up almost 75 per cent of preferences, according to
Newspoll's calculations. Can this really be true?
Back in 2001 minor party and "other" preferences split 58 to 42
Labor's way.
Things have changed since then. Today's poll has the Greens on six per cent, the
Dems and One Nation on one each and those amorphous "others" on seven.
It's
logical to expect with Pauline's band of bigots down, the Dems disintegrated and
Bob Brown's bunch proving Abraham Lincoln's maxim that you can fool some of the
people all of the time that Labor's share of the preference flow would increase
- but so dramatically?
Newspoll
only looks at second preferences - then extrapolates. Sol slacks. A C Nielsen
and Morgan go for the full kit and caboodle.
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Crikey
is generally nice to me, giving me the odd plug, so I don't mind. Still love
them.
Below is what I uploaded a few hours earlier.
April 20 Newspoll
preferences
Newspoll
has 53 to 47 for the
second fortnight in a row. Preferences, however, look odd. The Coalition is
ahead 43 to 42 in
primary support, which means of 15 remaining points, preferences favour Labor
over the Coalition in the ratio 11:4.
Percentage-wise that means Labor gets 73 percent of preferences (ie Coalition
gets 27). (Obviously, Newspoll's rounding might put this out a little - we don't
have their raw numbers)
At the last election minor party/other preferences split 58
to 42 Labor's way. Now, with One Nation down and
Greens up, Labor's share would increase - but to nearly three quarters?
The survey has minor parties on: Democrats 1, Greens 6, One Nation 1 and
"others" 7.
These days Newspoll treats preferences with more respect than they
used to, but still not with quite enough. Instead of pushing for full
preferences, they just ask who'll receive second ones and extrapolate from
there. (ACNielsen and Morgan extract full ones.)
It's difficult to believe those two party preferred numbers from such
primary support, but there we are.
- It's worth noting that if this survey had been taken in 2002 when Labor
was led by poor old Simon Crean, it would have been reported as: the Coalition
is ahead by one point, 43 to 42.
And throughout 2003, when Newspoll and Mr Shanahan at the Oz had
discovered preferences but were only "notionally" distributing by the 58
to 42 noted above, the headline two party preferred
would have been 51 to 49.
They started getting second preferences in January this year. That Mr
Latham is a lucky fella.
April 16
Reminder:
the big boofy bloke is going down. Don't blame me, blame the December
2 Lemmings who handed Howard a totally unnecessary fourth term.
History will pin the loss of this unlosable election on Latham's amateur
hour foreign policy, but that's only part of the story. Under the genius of
Howard-Lite, every rhetorical punch-through validates the status quo, which is
John Howard.
The ALP had a chance, like the US Democrats, to offer a fresh break, someone
to clean up the mess. Instead the Lemmings
came up with John Hewson: an erratic, inarticulate version of what's already in place.
Why vote for that over the safety of the Real Thing?
Still, look at it this way. If a country gets the leaders it deserves,
rather than those it needs, Australia must have done something pretty crook to
warrant eight years of Howard. But then to add eight years of Latham? No
country's that bad.
April 14 Another
time capsule
Read Unca Alan Ramsey's 1993 election
call, which ended like this:
"Whatever ground it makes
up elsewhere, Labor is going to lose the election in Queensland, South
Australia and over in Perth. Ten years and a million unemployed are
insurmountable.
I don't believe it will be
close at all."
Will try to find others for that poll
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